Legislature(1999 - 2000)

02/17/1999 09:02 AM Senate FIN

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GENERAL SUBJECT(S):  SB 30 OPERATING BUDGET APPROPRIATIONS:                                                                     
                     Front Section                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The following overview was taken in log note format.  Tapes and                                                                 
handouts will be on file with the Senate Finance Committee through the                                                          
21st Legislative Session, contact 465-2618.  After the 21st                                                                     
Legislative session they will be available through the Legislative                                                              
Library at 465-3808.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Time Meeting Convened:  9:02 A.M.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Tape(s):  SFC-99 #30, Side A (000 - 589)                                                                                        
                    Side B (589 - 185)                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Senator Parnell                                                                                                                 
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Senator Adams                                                                                                                   
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Senator Torgerson                                                                                                               
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Senator P. Kelly                                                                                                                
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Senator Donley                                                                                                                  
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Senator Green                                                                                                                   
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Senator Leman                                                                                                                   
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Senator Phillips                                                                                                                
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Senator Wilken                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT:  DAN SPENCER, Budget Analyst, Office of Management and                                                            
Budget; TOM LAWSON, Director, Division of Administrative Services,                                                              
Department of Commerce and Economic Development; LARRY DIETRICK,                                                                
Program Manager, Prevention and Emergency Response Program,                                                                     
Department of Environmental Conservation; KEVIN BROOKS, Director,                                                               
Division of Administrative Services, Department of Fish and Game;                                                               
NICO BUS, Administrative Services Manager, Division of Support                                                                  
Services, Department of Natural Resources; DAVID TEAL, Director,                                                                
Division of Legislative Finance; GINGER BLAISDELL, Fiscal Analyst,                                                              
Division of Legislative Finance; aides to committee members and                                                                 
other members of the Legislature.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
LOG                                                                                                                             
SPEAKER                                                                                                                         
DISCUSSION                                                                                                                      
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Called the meeting to order.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAN SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Budget Analyst, Office of Management and Budget                                                                                 
was invited to join the committee.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Review of FY00 Operating Budget - Front Section                                                                                 
Analysis.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 1:  Governor, Alaska Housing Finance                                                                                    
Corporation                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
(Presence of Senator Green noted at 9:10 a.m.)                                                                                  
Mr. Spencer explained subsection (a) transfer                                                                                   
of unexpended and unobligated amount of AHFC                                                                                    
unrestricted revenue available for                                                                                              
appropriation, by the direction of the  AHFC                                                                                    
board to the Alaska Debt Retirement Fund for                                                                                    
fiscal years ending June 30, 1999 and June 30,                                                                                  
2000.                                                                                                                           
Previous years the balance had been transferred                                                                                 
to the general fund.                                                                                                            
Subsection (b) would appropriate earnings                                                                                       
related to AHFC to AHFC as corporate receipts,                                                                                  
to be then allocated to their revolving fund,                                                                                   
housing assistance loan fund and senior housing                                                                                 
revolving fund.                                                                                                                 
Subsection (c) identified the amount of                                                                                         
corporate receipts within the revolving load                                                                                    
fund to be used by the AHFC for housing loan                                                                                    
programs not subsidized by AHFC corporate                                                                                       
receipts.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 2: Governor, Alaska Permanent Fund                                                                                      
Corporation                                                                                                                     
Subsection (a) would appropriate necessary                                                                                      
funds from the Permanent Fund Earnings Reserve                                                                                  
Account for the dividend program and other                                                                                      
uses.                                                                                                                           
Subsection (b) appropriated the amount needed                                                                                   
for inflation-proofing from the Earnings                                                                                        
Reserve Account to the principal of the                                                                                         
Permanent Fund.                                                                                                                 
Subsection (c) approporiated twenty-five                                                                                        
percent or fifty percent of mineral lease                                                                                       
rentals, royalties, royalty sales to the                                                                                        
principal of the Permanent Fund.                                                                                                
Subsection (d) appropriated any interest earned                                                                                 
in FY 00 from mineral lease rentals, royalties,                                                                                 
royalty sales while the revenue was held in                                                                                     
trust, escrow or otherwise before received by                                                                                   
the State to the principal of the Permanent                                                                                     
Fund.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 3:  Governor, Alaska Public Utilities                                                                                   
Commission                                                                                                                      
Reappropriated the June 30, 1999 balance of                                                                                     
APUC receipts to the Alaska Public Utilities                                                                                    
Commission for FY00 expenditures.  FY00                                                                                         
estimate is $400.0.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 4:  Governor, Alaska Science and                                                                                        
Technology Foundation                                                                                                           
This section would reappropriate the balance of                                                                                 
June 30, 1999 in the Alaska Science and                                                                                         
Technology Endowment Earnings Reserve to the                                                                                    
Alaska Science and Technology Foundation to                                                                                     
award as grants under AS 37.17.030(d) for FY00.                                                                                 
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TOM LAWSON                                                                                                                      
Director, Division of Administrative Services,                                                                                  
Department of Commerce and Economic Development                                                                                 
was invited to join the committee.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Section 5:  Governor, Alaska Seafood Marketing                                                                                  
Institute                                                                                                                       
This appropriated the June 30, 1999 balance of                                                                                  
FY99 general fund receipts from the salmon                                                                                      
marketing tax from the seafood marketing                                                                                        
assessment (AS 16.51.120) for FY00 ASMI                                                                                         
expenditures.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 6:  Governor, Budget Reduction                                                                                          
Requiring Legislation - Longevity Bonus                                                                                         
Eligibility                                                                                                                     
If legislation introduced by the Governor (HB
55 and SB 40) to place income limits on                                                                                         
longevity bonus eligibility were approved by                                                                                    
the Legislature operating appropriations would                                                                                  
be reduced.                                                                                                                     
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SENATOR DONLEY                                                                                                                  
Asked for a short at ease. 9:15 a.m.                                                                                            
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CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Reconvened meeting at approximately 9:16 a.m.                                                                                   
Asked Mr. Spencer to explain sections a little                                                                                  
more clearly.                                                                                                                   
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MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Continued and indicated that Mr. Lawson was                                                                                     
more appropriate to respond.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAWSON                                                                                                                      
He explained the carry forward from 1998 to                                                                                     
1999 does not have all the numbers.  For FY                                                                                     
2000 between $200 and $500 thousand.  Will know                                                                                 
exact figures in about another month.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Asked about the carry forward.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAWSON                                                                                                                      
Advised the co-chair that they do not know yet.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Continued with Section 6:  Governor, Budget                                                                                     
Reduction Requiring Legislation - Longevity                                                                                     
onus Eligibility                                                                                                                
He explained that this would show up as a                                                                                       
fiscal note on the bill.  There are perhaps two                                                                                 
or three fiscal notes.  The budget reductions                                                                                   
would enact a fiscal note.  It would require                                                                                    
separate legislation.  This would make it clear                                                                                 
that it was a budget reduction; that is the                                                                                     
reason it is in this bill.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY                                                                                                                  
Commented on "boiler plate".  Is this an                                                                                        
implementation of a change that occurred                                                                                        
somewhere else?  Begged a better description.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
There are various ways to take into account                                                                                     
certain legislation.  Can be built into the                                                                                     
budget by the executive branch or the                                                                                           
Legislature.  Does not have to happen either                                                                                    
way, however.  Can also be done by fiscal note                                                                                  
and savings would show up at the end of the                                                                                     
year.                                                                                                                           
They are putting it in the front section so it                                                                                  
will be clear to everyone.  Placed in the back                                                                                  
section Longevity Bonus would look like it was                                                                                  
going down.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Does this then reflect a policy call?                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Yes.                                                                                                                            
Section 7: Governor, Constitutional Budget                                                                                      
Reserve Fund (a) would provide for the general                                                                                  
fund sub accounts to be repaid by the CBR and                                                                                   
exclude pure general fund.                                                                                                      
Subsection (b) would allow the State to cover                                                                                   
any shortfall in unrestricted revenues                                                                                          
available for the appropriation in FY00 from                                                                                    
the CBR.  This amount would be appropriated to                                                                                  
the general fund from the CBR according to                                                                                      
balancing language.                                                                                                             
Subsection (c) stipulated that appropriations                                                                                   
made by (a) and (b) of this section would be                                                                                    
made under Article IX, section 17(c).                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Asked if the limit was set at $701 million?                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Yes.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY                                                                                                                  
Asked for further clarification of the amount.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Further comments.  No one knows the exact                                                                                       
amount at this stage.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 8:  Governor, Disaster Relief Fund                                                                                      
Appropriated Federal receipts received for                                                                                      
disaster relief to the disaster relief fund.                                                                                    
Approximately $9,000.0 has been included in                                                                                     
Federal funds in the Department of Military and                                                                                 
Veterans' Affairs in the back section of the                                                                                    
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 9:  Governor, Federal and other Program                                                                                 
Receipts (a) was standard language that                                                                                         
provides for additional funding authority for                                                                                   
Federal and other program receipts through the                                                                                  
Legislative Budget and Audit Committee process.                                                                                 
It would not restrict the LB&A committee to                                                                                     
particular fund source consideration.,                                                                                          
Subsection(b) was standard language that if                                                                                     
Federal or other program receipts were grater                                                                                   
than appropriated then the appropriations from                                                                                  
the State funds (general funds) may be reduced                                                                                  
if the reductions are consistent with                                                                                           
applicable Federal statutes.                                                                                                    
Subsection (c) was standard language that if                                                                                    
Federal and other receipts are less than the                                                                                    
amount appropriated the appropriation would be                                                                                  
reduced by the amount of the shortfall.  He                                                                                     
referred to SB 28, which would deal with                                                                                        
section (a) that they discussed last week.                                                                                      
Section (b) says you may not spend more than                                                                                    
you have.  Section (a) is different in the                                                                                      
current year budget.  They are opening this                                                                                     
section up to various other program receipts.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN                                                                                                                   
Would this trigger an additional State match?                                                                                   
Is this a possibility?                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
He explained that the general rule is that                                                                                      
revised programs are based on additional                                                                                        
Federal receipts if they had match in a                                                                                         
supplemental.  This does not only apply to                                                                                      
general funds and could be other funds.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN                                                                                                                   
What about disaster monies?  What are some                                                                                      
examples of other funds that may not have                                                                                       
matches or we may be shifting from other State                                                                                  
general fund matching sources?                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Narcotics Task Force from Feds with State                                                                                       
match; Division of Governmental Coordination                                                                                    
has no match requirements; some RPL's in the                                                                                    
past like CSED; general fund over budget.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN                                                                                                                   
Does this enable us to accept Federal monies                                                                                    
and make commitment of a supplemental, for                                                                                      
example western Alaska Fish Disaster?                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Disaster is a good example.  The reason being                                                                                   
because there are State funds committed to this                                                                                 
disaster fund.  He explained the difference in                                                                                  
what is expected to be needed and what is                                                                                       
available.  Five days were required to notice                                                                                   
the Governor for a special session needed for                                                                                   
disaster.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The most that he is familiar with is to present                                                                                 
a supplemental to the Legislature.  Most                                                                                        
Federal funds that come in if they have match                                                                                   
requirements would be identified.  There is a                                                                                   
formal process requiring a separate                                                                                             
notification to the Legislature.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ADAMS                                                                                                                   
Fisheries receipts (page 10).  Referred to                                                                                      
section 8(c) and said this would be changed if                                                                                  
passed under other legislation.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Section 10: Governor, Federal Subsistence Funds                                                                                 
He said he would like to call Kevin Brooks from                                                                                 
the Department of Fish and Game to answer any                                                                                   
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TORGERSON                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Subsection (a) indicated that $11,000.0 Federal                                                                                 
funding was appropriated to the US Department                                                                                   
of Interior and US Department of Agriculture                                                                                    
for the State of Alaska.  Alaska's receipt of                                                                                   
the funding is contingent on the Legislature                                                                                    
adopting a constitutional amendment for                                                                                         
ratification by Alaska voters to allow a rural                                                                                  
subsistence priority.                                                                                                           
Subsection (b) stated that if subsection (a)                                                                                    
was satisfied, the Federal receipts are                                                                                         
appropriated to the Department of Fish and Game                                                                                 
to help implement a unified subsistence                                                                                         
management system and provide support to                                                                                        
decision-making groups in that effort.  If                                                                                      
Alaska meets the June 1, 1999 contingency as                                                                                    
outlined in subsection (a) the appropriation                                                                                    
would be allocated as follows:  $3,000.0 to the                                                                                 
Board of Fisheries, Board of Game, regional                                                                                     
advisory councils and local advisory                                                                                            
committees; and $8,000.0 for biological                                                                                         
research, monitoring and management to ensure                                                                                   
yield and to improve utilization of fish and                                                                                    
wildlife for subsistence, commercial and                                                                                        
support purposes.                                                                                                               
Subsection (c) stated that if the June 1, 1999                                                                                  
contingency requirement were not met the                                                                                        
allocations outlined in subsection (b) would be                                                                                 
proportionately reduced.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS                                                                                                                
Asked about $11 million on subsistence.  Is it                                                                                  
going to be our own people enforcing the law or                                                                                 
Federal people?                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN BROOKS                                                                                                                    
Director, Division of of Administrative                                                                                         
Services, Department of Fish and Game was                                                                                       
invited to join the committee.  Responded to                                                                                    
Senator Phillips regarding the $11 million.  If                                                                                 
they do not use the money the Feds will use it                                                                                  
with their own people.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS                                                                                                                
Will State people assist the Federal government                                                                                 
in enforcing these funds?                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROOKS                                                                                                                      
Has spoken with Senator Torgerson who has their                                                                                 
budget.  Not something the department can turn                                                                                  
their backs on.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS                                                                                                                
Reiterates his question.  Are we going to let                                                                                   
the Feds enforce this?  Will the State                                                                                          
participate?                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROOKS                                                                                                                      
Would feel more comfortable in deferring to the                                                                                 
Commissioner.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS                                                                                                                
Asks question be posed to the Commissioner and                                                                                  
the answer be provided to the committee.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN                                                                                                                   
Was the Legislature adopting the measure?  What                                                                                 
happens if the voters do not vote for this?                                                                                     
Could the Supreme Court remove it from the                                                                                      
ballot or rewrite the amendment?  Do they need                                                                                  
to repay the $11 million?                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROOKS                                                                                                                      
Advised the committee that he was not prepared                                                                                  
to answer the question at this time.  Will have                                                                                 
the department respond via the Task Force.                                                                                      
What are trigger mechanisms for the $11                                                                                         
million?  This requires an amount of                                                                                            
discussion.  They do have to have a                                                                                             
constitutional amendment now regardless of the                                                                                  
thresholds that have to be overtaken.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Asked that the department respond to these                                                                                      
posed questions by Senator Leman.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN                                                                                                                   
He suggest they could perhaps be answered at                                                                                    
the subcommittee level.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TORGERSON                                                                                                               
Advised that these questions have been posed to                                                                                 
the subcommittee and will answer to the                                                                                         
committee in full when the discussions have                                                                                     
been completed.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Is the $11 million a one-time deal?                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROOKS                                                                                                                      
He responded saying it was an occurring event.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ADAMS                                                                                                                   
Asked that his bill on subsistence be waived to                                                                                 
this committee so it could be discussed                                                                                         
simultaneously.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Continued his explanation.  Section 11:                                                                                         
Governor, Fish and Game Enforcement                                                                                             
Subsection (a) appropriated to the Fish and                                                                                     
Game fund the amount of criminal fines,                                                                                         
penalties and forfeitures imposed and collected                                                                                 
under AS 16.05.195 from the general fund.                                                                                       
Subsection (b) said the Public Safety and Law                                                                                   
amounts are for increased enforcement,                                                                                          
investigation and prosecution of State Fish and                                                                                 
Game laws.  If receipts are less than the                                                                                       
amount appropriated the appropriations would be                                                                                 
reduced proportionately.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN                                                                                                                  
Requested a three to five year reflection of                                                                                    
fines.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ADAMS                                                                                                                   
Asked that the breakdown also include what goes                                                                                 
to the Department of Law.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Section 12:  Governor, Four Dam Pool Transfer                                                                                   
The section made the necessary appropriation                                                                                    
from the Four Dam Pool Transfer Fund to the                                                                                     
Southeast Energy Fund, the Power Cost                                                                                           
Equalization and Rural Electric Capitalization                                                                                  
Fund, and the Power Project Fund.  The                                                                                          
estimated amount available for transfer from                                                                                    
the Four Dam Pool for FY00 was $9,493.7.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Why is there a significant increase for FY00?                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Does not know.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ADAMS                                                                                                                   
Indicated that money was taken on an annual                                                                                     
basis for repairs and needs an update.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN                                                                                                                   
Asked about the FY98 - FY99 funds that were                                                                                     
transferred.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Advised he would have to get back to the                                                                                        
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
There is a significant increase so would                                                                                        
appreciate the requested information being                                                                                      
presented to the committee.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Section 13:  Governor, Information Services                                                                                     
Fund                                                                                                                            
This section appropriated statutory designated                                                                                  
program receipts to the Information Services                                                                                    
Fund for the Department of Administration,                                                                                      
Division of Information Services                                                                                                
telecommunication services.  Statutory                                                                                          
designated program receipts are reflected in                                                                                    
the Department of Administration budget as                                                                                      
$55.0 I/A Receipts.                                                                                                             
Section 14: Governor, Insurance and Bond Claims                                                                                 
- Catastrophe Reserve Account.                                                                                                  
There was a variety of purposes that this fund                                                                                  
operated under.  Some of the funding is being                                                                                   
used as an interim for Y2K.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ADAMS                                                                                                                   
Asked about judgments?                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Said this was also related to Court activities.                                                                                 
He will have backup regarding these activities                                                                                  
as soon as possible.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 15:  Governor, Insurance Fees -                                                                                         
Reappropriation.                                                                                                                
He noted this was not a new section.  It                                                                                        
reappropriated the June 30, 1999 balance of FY                                                                                  
99 general fund program receipts (insurance                                                                                     
fees) under AS 21.06.250 for FY00 Department of                                                                                 
Commerce and Economic Development, Division of                                                                                  
Insurance operating costs.  A safe estimate for                                                                                 
the FY00 carry forward was $1,500.0.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 16:  Governor, Land Disposal                                                                                            
Appropriated general fund receipts in the                                                                                       
fiscal years ending June 30, 2000 and June 30,                                                                                  
2001 from land sales at Naukati Bayon Prince of                                                                                 
Wales Island (not to exceed $50.0) and Vallenar                                                                                 
Bay on Gravina Island (not to exceed $200.0) to                                                                                 
the Department of Natural Resources for land                                                                                    
sale preparation costs.    Timing is not known                                                                                  
and therefore this section is included in the                                                                                   
front section rather than the back section.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Questioned as to why it is not in the back                                                                                      
section.  Asked for an explanation.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Timing of the receipts is uncertain.  It is in                                                                                  
the front section so it does not get lost in                                                                                    
the shuffle.   Would not fit in back section                                                                                    
under specific listings.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Will have to work on this one.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Section 17:  Governor,  Marine Highway System                                                                                   
Fund.                                                                                                                           
This was a general fund appropriation to the                                                                                    
Alaska Marine Highway System fund.  The amount                                                                                  
of the transfer can be found in the Marine                                                                                      
Highway Stabilization Fund component of the                                                                                     
DOT/PF budget.  He noted that it was a little                                                                                   
bit up from FY 99.  Not sure of the difference.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TORGERSON                                                                                                               
Is the interest on the fund normally                                                                                            
appropriated?                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Did not know the answer.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 18:  Governor, Motor Fuel Tax.                                                                                          
This section appropriated estimated amounts                                                                                     
from the unreserved special accounts in the                                                                                     
general fund to the general fund to be                                                                                          
available operating funding from the following                                                                                  
sources:  $23,924.5 for the special highway                                                                                     
fuel tax account; and $5,400.0 for the special                                                                                  
aviation fuel tax account.  he income was based                                                                                 
on the existing eight cents per gallon tax.                                                                                     
It was noted that the amounts were estimates.                                                                                   
Did not believe they would have to do this.                                                                                     
They had considered dropping this section a few                                                                                 
years ago.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Why was this based on an eight-percent                                                                                          
increase?                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
It was consistent with what had been done in                                                                                    
the past.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 19:  Governor, Occupational Licensing -                                                                                 
Reappropriation                                                                                                                 
Would reappropriate the June 30, 1999 balance                                                                                   
of FY99 general fund program receipts                                                                                           
(occupational licensing fees) for FY00                                                                                          
Department of Commerce and Economic                                                                                             
Development, Division of Insurance operating                                                                                    
costs.  FY00 estimate approximately $1,000.0.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Asked if this was an increase in the Department                                                                                 
of Commerce, Occupational License budget?                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
If this pertained to above the amount in the                                                                                    
back section, yes.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Asked why?                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
TOM LAWSON                                                                                                                      
Recalled to join the committee.  He explained                                                                                   
that it was being done this way because money                                                                                   
brought in by the fees was in excess.  Rather                                                                                   
than roll it into general funds they rolled it                                                                                  
back into the department budget.  This was done                                                                                 
by language in the front section.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Introduced the following two Sections and                                                                                       
advised that Mr. Larry Dietrick would speak to                                                                                  
them.                                                                                                                           
Section 20:  Governor, Oil and Hazardous                                                                                        
Substance Release Prevention Account                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 21:  Governor, Oil and Hazardous                                                                                        
Substance Release Response Account.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
(Tape #30, side A switch to side B at log 589                                                                                   
at 9:45 a.m.)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
LARRY DIETRICK                                                                                                                  
Program Manager, Prevention and Emergency                                                                                       
Response Program, Department of Environmental                                                                                   
Conservation was invited to join the committee.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
(pause while documents handed out)                                                                                              
Subsection (1) said the prevention mitigation                                                                                   
account received money recovered from parties                                                                                   
responsible for containment and cleanup of oil                                                                                  
or other hazardous substances, as well as                                                                                       
fines, penalties or damages as a result of                                                                                      
prevention measures.  The Governor did not                                                                                      
include this estimated amount, which was                                                                                        
approximately $5,618.8.                                                                                                         
Subsection (2) said the prevention account                                                                                      
contained appropriations from the special                                                                                       
account in the general fund to the OHSRPR fund                                                                                  
from the three-cent surcharge collected in the                                                                                  
general fund during the prior year.  FY00                                                                                       
deposits are appropriated from the general fund                                                                                 
for FY00 expenditures.)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Asked if he would address particularly                                                                                          
subsection 2?                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Would like to know about the $5.6 million?                                                                                      
Asked that Mr. Dietrick to get back on this                                                                                     
matter to the committee.  He said he was having                                                                                 
difficulty in getting required information, and                                                                                 
further noted that the departments were not                                                                                     
prepared.  Will have to have another meeting                                                                                    
because of this situation but would rather                                                                                      
avoid having to have another meeting.                                                                                           
563                                                                                                                             
MR. DIETRICK                                                                                                                    
Section 21: Governor, Oil and Hazardous                                                                                         
Substance Release Response Account                                                                                              
Subsection (1) The response mitigation account                                                                                  
received money recovered from parties                                                                                           
responsible for containment and cleanup of oil                                                                                  
or other hazardous substances, as well as                                                                                       
fines, penalties or damages as a result of                                                                                      
emergency response measures.  The Governor did                                                                                  
not include the estimated amount of $416.1.                                                                                     
Subsection (2) This response account contains                                                                                   
appropriations from the special account in the                                                                                  
general fund to the OHSRPR fund from the two                                                                                    
cent surcharge collected in the general fund                                                                                    
during the prior year.  This surcharge is only                                                                                  
required when the balance of the SHSRRA dropped                                                                                 
below $50 million.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Will have same questions as section 21.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Section 22:  Governor, Performance Measures.                                                                                    
The Governor's intent language requests that                                                                                    
the goals, strategies and performance measures                                                                                  
be stated in a separate resolution.  There was                                                                                  
concern that the appropriations bill may not                                                                                    
conform to Article II, Section 13 which                                                                                         
required that appropriations bills be confined                                                                                  
to appropriations.                                                                                                              
He thinks this is a good idea but looking for                                                                                   
right way from Legislature.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Would not support the legislation as is.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TORGERSON                                                                                                               
Comments.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Section 23:  Governor, Real Estate Surety Fund                                                                                  
The balance of the real estate surety fund that                                                                                 
exceeds $500.0 is appropriated to the                                                                                           
Department of Commerce and Economic                                                                                             
Development, Division of Occupational Licensing                                                                                 
for purposes related to the real estate surety                                                                                  
fund for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2000.                                                                                  
It was noted that the statute clearly states                                                                                    
that amounts in the fund may not exceed $500.0                                                                                  
and amounts in excess of $250.0 may be                                                                                          
appropriated for real estate educational                                                                                        
purposes.                                                                                                                       
At this point, he said he would have to defer                                                                                   
to the Department of Commerce.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Unable to answer specific questions.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
TOM LAWSON                                                                                                                      
Rejoined the committee.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
He said he was trying to get more money for the                                                                                 
department.  Asked for an explanation as to how                                                                                 
money is restricted and if they are complying                                                                                   
with the statute.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
How will the funds be used?                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAWSON                                                                                                                      
Funds are only used for a surety intent and he                                                                                  
referred to statutory language for the surety                                                                                   
fund.  This lapsed excess balance to be used in                                                                                 
the surety fund.  Annually, they draw money out                                                                                 
of the fund and spend it based on the guidance                                                                                  
as set out by law for education, as well as for                                                                                 
claims, all within the realm of the real estate                                                                                 
world.  There was a statutory cap of $500,000.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY                                                                                                                  
Stated it would be reasonable to get rid of the                                                                                 
statutory cap.  Mr. Lawson said they have to                                                                                    
deal with a huge issue because revenue only                                                                                     
comes in every two years.  Fund was set up to                                                                                   
pay for claims as well as to pay for                                                                                            
educational purposes.  Dealing with limited                                                                                     
statutory language which really limits them                                                                                     
because of cash flow.  Would like to see the                                                                                    
cap raised so they would not be in a box trying                                                                                 
to balance the cash flow for high and low                                                                                       
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Section 24:  Governor, Retained Fees                                                                                            
The language addressed the need to appropriate                                                                                  
vendor compensation and/or bankcard services                                                                                    
fees that were not directly appropriate by the                                                                                  
State for vendors or banking institutions that                                                                                  
collect fees on behalf of the State.  These                                                                                     
originated from fish and game fishing, hunting                                                                                  
and trapping license sales where the vendor                                                                                     
retained a portion of the sale instead of the                                                                                   
vendor submitting the full collection and the                                                                                   
State reimbursing the vendor for expenses                                                                                       
related to selling licenses.  The agencies                                                                                      
should be directed to include these fees in                                                                                     
their annual budget requests.                                                                                                   
For example fish and game licenses.  Fees being                                                                                 
retained by vendors.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 25:  Governor, Safety Advisory Council                                                                                  
- Reappropriation                                                                                                               
This reappropriated Safety Council program                                                                                      
receipts no expended in FY99 to be carried                                                                                      
forward into FY00 for the Governor's safety                                                                                     
conference.  FY00 estimated $100.0.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 26:  Governor, Salary and Benefit                                                                                       
Adjustments                                                                                                                     
This was FY00 pay increases for University of                                                                                   
Alaska employees.  The  (unknown) amount is the                                                                                 
net amount for three items:  salary                                                                                             
adjustments, health benefit adjustments and                                                                                     
changes in contribution rates for the Public                                                                                    
Employees Retirement System.                                                                                                    
It was seen in two places.  The front section                                                                                   
bargaining units; back section funding for the                                                                                  
University.  Would ordinarily have the costs of                                                                                 
any bargaining unit agreements for any costs                                                                                    
introduced.   Would propose an amendment to                                                                                     
show the costs.  Does not have an agreement yet                                                                                 
to show the amounts.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ADAMS                                                                                                                   
Asked if there was a time line for settlement                                                                                   
of the bargains?                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Did not have a time line.  Practical time line                                                                                  
is just in time to get a bargain.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 27:  Governor, Salmon Enhancement Tax                                                                                   
Appropriated general fund salmon enhancement                                                                                    
tax receipts to the Department of Commerce and                                                                                  
Economic Development for payment in FY00 to                                                                                     
qualified regional aquaculture associations.                                                                                    
The amount is not included in the operating                                                                                     
budget general fund spending totals.  It is                                                                                     
"pass-through" money.                                                                                                           
He explained that this appropriates tax from                                                                                    
the general fund to regional associations.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 28:  Governor, Shared Taxes and Fees                                                                                    
This appropriated general funds to the                                                                                          
Department of Revenue in the amounts necessary                                                                                  
to refund local governments their share of                                                                                      
taxes and fees collected for payment in FY99.                                                                                   
It was noted that FY98 $22,199.6, FY99 and FY00                                                                                 
are anticipated to be a similar amount.  He                                                                                     
said the amounts necessary should be                                                                                            
appropriated.  The change was made during the                                                                                   
Hickel administration.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 29:  Governor, State Debt and Other                                                                                     
Obligations                                                                                                                     
Subsection (a) interest on revenue anticipation                                                                                 
notes is appropriated from the general fund to                                                                                  
the Department of Revenue for payment of                                                                                        
interest on notes.                                                                                                              
Subsection (b) amount required to be paid by                                                                                    
the State for principal and interest on State                                                                                   
bonds is appropriated from the general fund to                                                                                  
the State bond committee for payment on those                                                                                   
bonds.                                                                                                                          
Subsection (c) $5,739.1 from the general fund                                                                                   
to the Alaska Debt Retirement Fund.                                                                                             
Subsection (d) $16,287.8 from the Debt                                                                                          
Retirement Fund for trustee fees and lease                                                                                      
payments related to certificates of                                                                                             
participation for real property.                                                                                                
Subsection (e) $2,518.0 from the Debt                                                                                           
Retirement Fund for payment of debt service and                                                                                 
trustee fees on general obligation bonds.                                                                                       
Subsection (f) $2,877.5 from the International                                                                                  
Airports Revenue Fund for payment of debt                                                                                       
service and trustee fees on international                                                                                       
airport revenue bonds.                                                                                                          
Subsection (g) $71,788.1 from the Debt                                                                                          
Retirement Fund ($26,258.6) and School Fund                                                                                     
($45,529.5) to the Department of Education for                                                                                  
State aid for costs of school construction.debt                                                                                 
retirement fund.                                                                                                                
He explained how the debt retirement fund is                                                                                    
calculated.  Usually there is some amount of                                                                                    
carry forward in this fund.  Anticipated there                                                                                  
will be an amendment soon.  There have been a                                                                                   
couple of changes.  International Airport fund.                                                                                 
Fluctuations under section (g).                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN                                                                                                                  
Asked the difference in debt retirement fund                                                                                    
and school fund.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
School fund - cigarette tax used for                                                                                            
maintenance and construction.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Debt retirement fund - general funds.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ADAMS                                                                                                                   
All schools need assistance, not just urban                                                                                     
schools.  Schools in rural Alaska should be                                                                                     
considered for some of this money.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Section 30:  Governor, State Training and                                                                                       
Employment Program                                                                                                              
The State Training and Employment Program is                                                                                    
funded from the Employment and raining Program                                                                                  
Account that is funded by a contribution of                                                                                     
one-half of one percent from each employee's                                                                                    
wages.  Unspent balances must be lapsed from                                                                                    
this account into the unemployment compensation                                                                                 
fund.  For FY99 this language was changed so                                                                                    
that unspent balances must be lapsed from this                                                                                  
account into the employment assistance and                                                                                      
training program account.  FY00 estimated at                                                                                    
$400.0.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Asked if this is something done statutorily or                                                                                  
is it a policy call?                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Underwent changes last year.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 31:  Governor, Statutory Budget Reserve                                                                                 
If unrestricted revenues are less than                                                                                          
necessary for FY00 appropriations, the amount                                                                                   
necessary to balance revenue and general fund                                                                                   
appropriations is appropriated to the general                                                                                   
fund from any balance that may be available                                                                                     
from the Statutory Budget Reserve Fund.                                                                                         
There is no real impact from this section.                                                                                      
Does not know why it is still in there.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Perhaps some money could be found!                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Section 32:  Governor, Storage Tank Assistance                                                                                  
Fund                                                                                                                            
This would appropriate from the OHSRPR Fund,                                                                                    
prevention account (non-general fund) to the                                                                                    
Storage Tank Assistance Fund.  For FY98                                                                                         
language was included that allowed the                                                                                          
Legislature to capitalize the storage tank                                                                                      
assistance fund with any general fund                                                                                           
registration fees collected on underground                                                                                      
petroleum storage tanks or tank systems.  In                                                                                    
SLA 98 the language was changed so that the                                                                                     
fees collected would be considered unrestricted                                                                                 
general fund revenue and would be replaced with                                                                                 
$200.0 from the oil and hazardous substance                                                                                     
release prevention account.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY                                                                                                                  
Has many questions regarding this section but                                                                                   
will not bring up now.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Section 33:  Governor, Student Loan Program                                                                                     
The amount from student loan borrowers of the                                                                                   
Alaska Commission on Postsecondary Education                                                                                    
that was assessed for loan origination fees for                                                                                 
the fiscal year ending June 30, 2000, is                                                                                        
appropriated to the origination fee account                                                                                     
within the student loan fund of the Alaska                                                                                      
Student Loan Corporation.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY                                                                                                                  
Asked to go back to section 31.  Why is this                                                                                    
not an important section?                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
(Brief at ease at 10:15 a.m., tape 30, Side B,                                                                                  
log 369.)                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Reconvened meeting.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Explained origination fee account for section                                                                                   
31.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 34:  Governor, Teacher Certification -                                                                                  
Reappropriation                                                                                                                 
This reappopriates the June 30, 1999 balance of                                                                                 
FY99 teacher certification general fund                                                                                         
receipts from certification fees under AS                                                                                       
14.20.020(c) for FY00 teacher certificatin                                                                                      
expenditures.  FY00 estimate was $100.0.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Why were amounts not included in front or back                                                                                  
section?                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Doesn't know.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Asked that the matter be looked into.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Will provide answer to the committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 35:  Governor, Test Fishery Receipts                                                                                    
FY99 balance of commercial fisheries test                                                                                       
fishing operations receipts from the harvest                                                                                    
and sale of crab are appropriated to the                                                                                        
Department of Fish and Game or operations of                                                                                    
the shellfish onboard observer program in the                                                                                   
Division of Commercial Fisheries Management and                                                                                 
Development for FY00.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN BROOKS                                                                                                                    
Was asked to Rejoin the committee.  This is in                                                                                  
the front section due to some timing problems                                                                                   
with Department of Revenue.  It involves                                                                                        
putting employees (seasonal) on vessels to                                                                                      
observe.  Includes 50 seasonal positions.                                                                                       
Problem is that the observers will be incurring                                                                                 
costs prior to the test fisheries.  There were                                                                                  
two basic fisheries they were dealing with.                                                                                     
Use monies from the test fisheries incurred in                                                                                  
the spring for this.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN                                                                                                                  
Why is amount zero?                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROOKS                                                                                                                      
He said the amount was zero because it is                                                                                       
dependent on price.  $2.7 was specific in the                                                                                   
budget.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Section 36:  Governor, Value-added Timber Sales                                                                                 
Appropriation was not to exceed $250.0 general                                                                                  
fund receipts generated in fiscal years ending                                                                                  
June 30, 2000 and June 30, 2001 from value-                                                                                     
added timber sales in Southeast and in the                                                                                      
Tanana Valley to the Department of Natural                                                                                      
Resources.  The appropriation amount was not                                                                                    
included in the total of the Governor's                                                                                         
appropriation bill.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Requested Nico Bus to join committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
NICO BUS                                                                                                                        
Administrative Services manager, Division of                                                                                    
Support Services, Department of Natural                                                                                         
Resources was invited to join the committee.                                                                                    
He explained sections 36 and 37.  Explained why                                                                                 
they were not part of the back section.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Sections 37, 38 and 39 refer to lapse dates.                                                                                    
He concluded his presentation to the committee.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN                                                                                                                  
Section 39(b) explanation.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
He said it referred to section 1(a), the AHFC                                                                                   
bond bill passed by the Legislature last year.                                                                                  
$9 million was needed in FY 99 estimate.  They                                                                                  
had to reach in retroactively.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN                                                                                                                  
Section 39(b)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Responds.  If they did not go back and                                                                                          
retroactively take the monies, they would go                                                                                    
back into the general fund rather than debt                                                                                     
retirement.  AHFC provides an annual dividend                                                                                   
set out for debt.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN                                                                                                                   
Page 9, line 4 of bill.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Is sure the amount is correct.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Budget amendments are due in a couple of weeks                                                                                  
and will have some.  There were a number of                                                                                     
questions the committee had.   Apologized that                                                                                  
he did not have all the necessary information                                                                                   
for the committee.  He said he had a list of                                                                                    
questions that the committee would like                                                                                         
answered and will be able to do so at a later                                                                                   
time if the committee required.  At best he                                                                                     
tried to guess where the questions would be                                                                                     
today.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Budget amendments.  He said they were looking                                                                                   
at some deletions as advised by the Governor                                                                                    
for FY 2000 budget.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
Confirmed $15 million in reductions.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS                                                                                                                
$15 million from prior year reductions?                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPENCER                                                                                                                     
$15 million for FY 2000.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PARNELL                                                                                                                
Thanked Mr. Spencer and department staff for                                                                                    
their presentation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Adjourned meeting at approximately 10:30 a.m.                                                                                   
Tape number 30, side B at log number 185.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                                        
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